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 TRANSCRIPT OF AUDIO FROM THE
 FORT SEGARRA FLAMINGO BAY LANDFILL
  AND TEST AREAS PROPOSED PLAN VIRTUAL MEETING
 DATE:
  May 28, 2020
 TRANSCRIBED BY:  
  GUADALUPE B. RIFKIN, RPR
  Notary Public, State of
  Florida at Large
  Pages 1 - 16 
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  MS. WEST-BARNHILL:  Hello.  My name is 
Donna West-Barnhill, and I'm with the U.S. Army 
Corps of Engineers Formerly Used Defense Sites 
Program.
  Thank you for viewing the presentation for 
the Fort Segarra Proposed Plan.
  We do have some handouts that go with this 
presentation, and we will be referring to them, 
so be sure to download that file.  You can find 
it on the same website where you found the link 
to this presentation.
  This is our Agenda.  There will be three of 
us speaking, and we'll each introduce ourselves 
as we go through the slides.
  We'll spend a little bit of time talking 
about the Formerly Used Defense Sites Program 
and the history of Fort Segarra.
  We'll talk about the previous 
investigations and the current remedial 
investigation.
  We'll present the Proposed Plan, 
recommendations, and we'll explain how you could 
ask questions and comment on the Proposed Plan.
  And now, I'll turn the presentation over to 
Frank Araico. 
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  MR. ARAICO:  Thank you, Donna.
  As Donna mentioned, my name is Frank 
Araico.  I am the Project Manager assigned to 
the Fort Segarra Formerly Used Defense Sites on 
the behalf of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
  On your screen right now you'll see an 
image showing the property boundaries of the 
Fort Segarra formerly used defense site.  Those 
who live on Water Island, of course, will 
recognize Water Island.  But just for proximity, 
there across the bay you see Charlotte Amalie, 
and off to the upper left or to the northwest, 
you see the international airport.
  You can see there in red, those are our 
project boundaries, what we call Fort Segarra 
Flamingo Bay Landfill and Test Areas.
  I'd like to talk a little bit about the 
program overview for the formerly used defense 
sites.  By definition, formerly used defense 
site must have been owned, leased, or otherwise 
possessed by the Department of Defense.  And 
this would also include the antecedents of the 
Department of Defense, such as the War 
Department. It must have been transferred from 
Department of Defense ownership or lease prior 
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to October 17th, 1986.
  Now, a lot of these slides you can read for 
yourself, but you can see there our program 
goal: To reduce risk through effective, legally 
compliant, and cost-effective actions for 
activities attributable to the Department of 
Defense.  That last sentence is really the most 
important part.  It must be attributable to the 
Department of Defense or to the War Department 
or to any of the military components.  So we're 
here to clean up any mess that we left behind, 
not to clean up everybody else's messes.
  We are proceeding under the CERCLA process. 
And CERCLA is one of those many acronyms that 
are out there. In this case it stands for the 
Comprehensive Environmental Response 
Compensation and Liability Act, now sometimes 
called Superfund.  Now, I should say that this 
is not a Superfund site.  Superfund sites are 
basically the worst among the worst, and this is 
not the situation here.  But you see there a 
layout of the CERCLA process, starting with the 
Preliminary Assessment, Site Inspection and then 
going into the Remedial Investigation and 
Feasibility Study, which is where we are now, 
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taking us forward into a Proposed Plan.  And the 
Proposed Plan is what we're discussing.  It's 
the gist of this presentation.  You can see 
there there's a public involvement component to 
all of those.
  Now, in this site, and under these 
circumstances, because we found nothing and we 
found no risk to human health or the 
environment, we did not conduct a feasibility 
study.  Had we found something, we would have 
done a detailed feasibility study and outlined 
the alternatives for remedial action.
  Now, you can see here after the Proposed 
Plan, we go forward into a Decision Document. A 
Decision Document is also known as a Record of 
Decision, and we proceed from there to any 
Remedial Action or to Project Closeout.
 A little bit about the history of the site. 
The U.S. government acquired Water Island during 
the 2nd world war for coastal defense.  During 
1944, the Army began construction of barracks, 
gun emplacements, watch towers, underground 
bunkers, and all those buildings and 
appurtenances necessary for a military base. 
However, the war concluded before the Fort 
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Segarra installation was completed.  And as 
such, the guns were never installed.
  After the war, between 1948 and 1950, the 
site was used for six tests conducted by the 
Chemical Warfare Service in association with 
what is known as the San Jose Project.  The San 
Jose Project was a very broad research and 
development project to study the effects of and 
defense against chemical warfare and chemical 
warfare agents in tropical environments and was 
named after where the project was originally 
headquartered, which was San Jose Island on the 
Pacific coast of Panama.
  Now, we have very good documentation for 
the experiments and the work that was done by 
the Chemical Warfare Service here on Water 
Island, so we know for a fact that only six 
tests were conducted, and the site was 
subsequently cleaned up and all that residual 
material was removed.
  So our project consists of 17 acres in the 
southern portion of Water Island.  They are four 
noncontiguous areas, again collectively known as 
Test Areas 4, 5 and 8 in the Flamingo Bay 
Landfill.  There were other test areas 
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associated with the San Jose Project, however, 
nothing was ever found at those sites subsequent 
to the termination of those efforts.  So we have 
found what we know as munitions debris in these 
areas and that is why we are coming back to 
investigate them now.
  As you can see, there was quite a number of 
previous investigations, and prior documentation 
going back over 30 years at this point, 
beginning in 1989 with the Inventory Project 
Report.  I'll leave this slide up there. 
You-all can -- you-all can read that for 
yourselves.  But again, you can see we are going 
back to 1989.  We are moving forward through a 
number of studies, a number of reports, 
photographic analysis, project site 
characterizations and so forth.
  And in the inset there you see one of the 
few items that were discovered here.  That is a 
500-pound chemical bomb shell, casing actually. 
There is nothing in it.  You can see there it's 
breached and was filled with concrete. So it 
was likely used as a training item.
  Again, here you can see the rest of the 
previous investigations going all the way up to 
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2016, the Site Specific Final Report which was 
the report for a remedial investigation which 
leads to the Proposed Plan which is what we're 
discussing.
  On your lower left, you can see the 
historical sign that's been placed at the ferry 
landing. To your right, you can see an image of 
a one-ton chemical container breached, filled 
with concrete.  That and the bomb casing that 
you can see also on the historical marker there 
were all the items that we've identified that 
we've ever located at this site.
  At this point, I'd like to hand it over to 
Susan Burtnett who is going to talk a little bit 
in detail about the actual process of the 
remedial investigation.
  MS. BURTNETT:  Thank you, Frank.
  As Frank noted, I am Susan Burtnett, 
representing the contractor who completed the 
remedial investigation for the Fort Segarra 
Formerly Used Defense Sites.
  The remedial investigation was done to 
determine if there are any environmental impacts 
remaining from the military's activities that 
took place at the Flamingo Bay Landfill and Test 
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Areas.  This included the tests conducted by the 
Chemical Warfare Service.  A few photographs 
showing Chemical Warfare Service activities that 
were taken from the historical documents 
reviewed are shown on this slide.  The remedial 
investigation also included an evaluation of 
potential risks to people and the environment. 
The remedial investigation report was completed 
in August 2019.
  The remedial investigation work included an 
evaluation of the previous reports prepared by 
the Corps, as well as an analysis of the 
historical documents and studies completed by 
other organizations.  Frank presented the list 
of these documents and described the military's 
use of the site as a planned coastal defense 
battery and for chemical testing by the Chemical 
Warfare Service.
  Per the remedial investigation, we've 
looked at all of the information and used it to 
assess potential risks to people and the 
environment.  Several examples of the historical 
documents and studies are shown on this slide. 
These documents are available for reference on 
the Corps' website for Fort Segarra.  The 
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website is provided in the Proposed Plan and at 
the end of this presentation.
  The remedial investigation documented the 
types, densities, and distribution of, or, in 
the case of Fort Segarra, the lack of evidence 
for munitions, munitions constituents, chemical 
warfare material, and chemical agents.  Based on 
the historical documents and studies, there is 
no evidence of munitions used at Fort Segarra. 
The guns were never installed.  There is no 
documentation of munitions used, and no 
munitions or munitions debris have been found at 
this site.  Since there is no evidence of 
munitions used, there is no source for munitions 
constituents.  Sampling at the site confirms 
this.
  As for chemical warfare material used, 
historical documents indicate that only six 
tests were completed or partially completed on 
Water Island before the testing program was 
relocated.  Chemical warfare material associated 
with the testing, including chemical-filled 
bombs and smoke pods were removed.  Although a 
few suspected chemical warfare material related 
items were found at the site in the past as part 
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of the studies and investigation, the items did 
not contain chemical agents and they were 
removed.  None have been found since 1994. 
Sampling also confirms that there are no 
chemical agents remaining.
  Based on the remedial investigation 
findings, we concluded that there is no evidence 
that munitions were used at this site.  And 
sampling confirmed that no constituents from 
munitions are present.  In addition, the 
remedial investigation concluded that chemical 
warfare material was removed from the site 
following the sixth test conducted and 
documented by the Chemical Warfare Service. 
Sampling also confirmed that no chemical agents 
are present at the site.
  Based on the remedial investigation 
findings, there is no risk to people or the 
environment from the military's past use.
  Donna is going to continue the presentation 
and talk about the Proposed Plan.
  MS. WEST-BARNHILL:  Thank you, Susan.
  On this slide you'll see an image of the 
Proposed Plan for Fort Segarra.  You can find 
this file on the same website where you found 
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the link to this presentation.
  The purpose of the Proposed Plan is to 
summarize in one short document the various 
reports and investigations that Susan and Frank 
referred to.  It also presents our 
recommendations which we called "Preferred 
Alternatives."  And its primary purpose is to 
courage you, the public, to being engaged in the 
process of selecting a remedy for the site.
  The preferred alternative or recommendation 
to Fort Segarra is no action. As you heard 
Susan explain, we have no reason to believe that 
there is anything remaining from the military's 
training that would pose a hazard or risk to the 
public or the environment.
  The comment period for the Proposed Plan is 
from May 28th through July 6th.  The image on 
the slide is of the Comment Sheet that is 
included in the package of handouts.  You can 
use this as a means of commenting or we'll 
discuss other ways you can comment as well.
  The image on this slide is of the Fact 
Sheet for the Munitions Response Site 
Prioritization Protocol Process.  It's included 
in the handouts for the presentation. 
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  The Department of Defense uses the protocol 
to determine a priority for addressing sites. 
There are almost 10,000 formerly used defense 
sites across the country and there's never 
enough funding to address all of them at one 
time. So the protocol assigns a score of one to 
eight, one being the highest.  And it can also 
have scores of No known or suspected hazard or 
No longer required.  That score provides the 
priority.  The score for Fort Segarra is No 
known or suspected hazard.
  You can comment on the score during the 
same time period for the proposed plan, which is 
from May 28th through July 6th.
  Your opinion really does count, and we do 
want to hear from you.  You can comment during 
the comment period through 5:00 p.m. Eastern 
Daylight Time on July 6th, 2020.
  You can call us at 800-710-5184.  You can 
also e-mail us at FUDS.Florida@usace.army.mil. 
You can submit the Comment Form that is included 
in your package of handouts.  You can fill it 
out and mail it to the Army Corps of Engineers 
at the address shown on the slide and also in 
the comment sheet.  You can scan the form and 
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e-mail it to us or you can simply just send us 
an e-mail with your comments.
  For more information, please feel free to 
call us or e-mail us or go to our website at 
www.sajusace.army.mil/fortsegarra. All of the 
documents and reports that we've mentioned in 
this presentation are posted there.
  We understand that watching a presentation 
video is not the same as being able to talk with 
somebody in person.  So, please, if you have 
questions or comments or just don't understand 
something or want to know more information, call 
us or e-mail us.  We'll be happy to talk with 
you.
  We always close all of our presentations 
with a reminder of the three Rs:  Recognize, 
retreat, report.  Wherever you are, but 
especially if you are on a formerly used defense 
site, if you find something that looks like a 
munition, recognize that it could be dangerous, 
regardless of how old it is.  Retreat from the 
area.  Leave the item where it is and don't 
touch it in any way but do make note of its 
location and report it by calling 911.
  Please remember to call or e-mail us if you 
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have any questions or concerns.  And thank you 
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REPORTER ' S CERTIFICATE 
I , Guadalupe B. Rifkin, RPR , certify that I was 
authorized to and did transcribe the audio for the 
Fort Segarra Flamingo Bay Landfill and Test Areas 
Proposed Plan Virtual Meeting . 
DATED this 30th day of June 2020 . 
In Re: Fort Segarra v. 
May 28, 2020 
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